tv Charlie Rose PBS April 5, 2012 12:00am-1:00am PDT
>> rose: welcome to our program. tonight, a preview of the masters golf tournament with nan of cbs sports. >> i have all this background on augusta cataloged in my head. i've been compartmentalizing information, historical anecdotes, background information on the players. my whole life, since i was 11 years old, i told my father, one day i want to go to augusta. i want to broadcast that tournament. that was my hook, that was my ipseparation, listening to the announcers of my youth. every day of my life i read up on this sport and then of course 20 weeks out of the year i'm out here anyway, and you get to know the players. you get to know their families. you know their likes and dislikes, their favorite
restaurants, you know everything about them, their habits, and needless to say, their track recorded, when they play well, what they shot, what they won, colleges they attended, caddies they work with. that's all well and good, but when you're talking about the biggest prize in golf, it runs a lot deeper than that. >> rose: at the masters the man everybody is talking about is tiger woods. we talk to hank haney author of "the big miss: my years coaching tiger woods". >> my job was to help him head in the right direction. i didn't just walk up there and say, okay, this is what we're going to do today. that's not the way it works. i would make suggestions and try to point him in the right direction. like a farmer, i would just plant and see if something grew, and it it didn't, i didn't take it personal, i planted some more. >> rose: jim nantz, and hank haney, all about the masters, all about tiger woods when we continue.
captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: the 76 masters will tee off tomorrow morning from augusta national golf club. all eyes are back on too good. he won on the p.g.a. tour for the first time in 30 months two weeks ago. he will try to end a four-year drought in the majors. rory mcilroy hopes to don the green jacket that eleaded him last year. joining me from august is jim nantz, or friends from cbs
sports. this is his 25th year hosting masters coverage for cbs,. i am pleased to have him back on this program this evening. welcome. >> thank you, charlie. always good to be with you. welcome to butler cabin here, where on this very spot, on sunday night, we will be presenting the green jacket to this year's champion. right in this vicinity right here. >> rose: there is nothing in golf like the masters. i've never been to st. andrews to play or see the british open, but the masters for me has always had a certain-- it's just something special about it. what is it? >> well, i think that everybody feels that, too. there's that mystique, that consistency, too. the tournament has been taking place since 1934 at the same site, obviously. it's never moved around like the other three majors. they rotate sites. the open championship has five or six courses that but the p.g.a. muse around, the u.s. open moves around, but everybody has familiarity with this golf course. they know the history at each one of the holes. they can dial back in their
memory banks and remember jack nicklaus winning in 1986 or arnold palmener 1960. it's just-- it's become a symbol for springtime i think for so many people. >> rose: all the conversation is about tiger. give me a sense of the buz, and how you see where he is at this moment as he prepares to tea off in this pasters. >> tiger has to be riding really high coming off a win. the last time he was in competition he won by a pretty comfortable margin at arnold palmer's tournament. not to put any disqualifiers on that, he had won at that tournament before six previous times so it was a course with a tremendous track explored great comfort zone for tiger. and we all, who cover this sport for a living, we knew he was closing in on a win. it was only a matter of time. it didn't shock anybody when he won. those of us who followed it. the novice would say, "he's
back. he's all the way back, he's won." i don't think that's the right way to frame teither. we felt like he was physically, as far as his golf game, not as far as his physical condition, we felt he had been back a while ago. it was a great win for tiger. he enemies here, i think most people believe he's the favorite if not cofavorite with rory mcilroy and maybe phil mickelson is right there with him, too. it shapes up to me to be one of the most anticipated weekends we've ever had. >> rose: i can't wait. tiger first, is he hitting on all cylinders. is his putting good? is he keeping it on the fairway? is his whole game there? >> that's a good question. i think as far as his full swing game, i think he's in good shape. we've seen that for several months. the biggest question is going to be can he handle augusta's greens. if you go back last year on the second nine when nine different players had a chance to win the tournament, he missed two
crucial putts from four feet and in and that's become actually something we've seen here for five or six years since he last won here in 2005. he, i believe, is so flummoxed by the putting services here or they have gotten into his head where that is going to be a really key thing, if tiger can steady himself, like the the tiring of old, if you will, who used to make ever eight-footer he ever looked at. he putted well two weeks ago at bay hill, but that's when i am going to say he is all the way back. if he can somehow hold putts on these very speedy greens at augusta. i will say this-- we're going to have weather here. we already have. it rained earlier today. it rained overnight last night. knocked down some trees. the course is playing soft, and there could be a very big storm here on thursday afternoon that could disrupt play and maybe not get us back on schedule until saturday afternoon with the tournament scheduled for a sunday finish. what that means, though, with
the water on the greens here, they have this subair system where it can actually suck the water right out of the greens but they'll still be soft, and that means they'll be a little bit slower. they will be at a speed that makes it a whole lot more comfortable if you haven't been steady over the putts here at augusta for a while. >> rose: you know what i've learned about tiger-- speaking of tiger-- is what you already knew and which i understood but appreciate more now, is the work ethic that he has about the game. >> well, he's always been driven to be the greatest golfer of all time. and the way that he has defined that is to take on jack nicklaus' record of 18 major championships. he posted it on top of the wall by his bed growing up in cypress, california. he had the list of jack nicklaus' conquests, major championships, the date they took place, where the wins took place. this has been every day of his
youth he would wake up looking at jack nicklaus' record. and thinking of how he could some day beat it. of course, we know now, he sits at 14. four away from tying it, five away from breaking it. but he's been at 14 since father's day weekend, 2008, when he won at torey pines, in one of the greatest performances the sport has ever seen, playing with what was at the time a hairline fracture of his left leg, playing on one leg, seemingly, winning in a play-off against rocco mediate. that's been a full cycle if you go back around here, that's been a long time. four years ago since he last won a major championship. we know all the relationships, both physical and off-the-course issues that have prevented him from being able to come back and win another major. he seems right now, at this very point, going into this weekend, more ready than any other time since '08 at 24ry pines to win a major. >> rose: the two questions i have about him, one, the physical question. how good a shape and does he
have concerns about where he is in terms of the injuries he's had and having to pull out several weeks ago from a tournament. the other question is how good or different is the competition? >> well, that's-- you're thinking like those of us who cover the sport now, and first on tiger's physical condition, that left knee has been surgically worked on now four different times. the knee has been basically completely rebuilt. there's, like no ligament left. and what that has now set off, it has spawned a whole series of injury related to the knee, including achille's tendon issues in both legs, and it was the right achilles that held him back last year during the middle of the summer and missed some crucial tournaments. and he strained-- or felt like he strained it at dorral when he pulled out on the second nine. he felt it was despite he walked off the golf course.
this is going to be the thing, above all, that's going to be hardest for tiger is if will he be able to hold up? if his body holds up, he has another good 10 years. he in the next 10 years didn't miss action because of any injuries, 10 times four majors a year, 40 majors, all he needs is four out of 40 to tie jack nicklaus. five out of 40 to beat him. is that doable? you bet it is. i will say about the competition, since he has had this drought without winning, the golf landscape has gotten stronger. it's gone global and it's gone younger, and these kids have grown up not being scarred by being defeated by tying eby being mauled by his greatness, where knocking the life out of tournaments and beating the field by sometimes a dozen shots. they don't have that in their memory banks. rory mcilroy never experienced
getting stomped on by twoogd-- tiger woods like a lot of guys did. that generation, i think, mentally got knocked out. now these kids in their 20s, like mcilroy, who is number one in the world. these guys, they're a new breed, and they're fearless and they believe it's their time. this is what makes the game so great. this is why there's this great confluence now of tiger coming back. phil mickelson's game is is still there, as we saw this year at pebble beach. and you have these young guns, including mcilroy who are poised and ready now to establish and define their own era and ready to take that baton for the next 10 years and run with it. >> rose: one of the interesting phenomena for me, which i know you have spoken to, golf is so global now. you think where he's guys are. they're not all coming from america. in fact many of the champions are coming from outside our shores. >> here's what's happening with the game. mcilroy is from northern ireland.
luke donald, he is number one in the world. he's from england, educated at northwestern, lives in chicago. it. then you've gork of course, australia has always been a dominant country in golf. they've never won, never produced a player that won the championships. greg norman had a couple shots, and last year adam scott and jason day came closings and then you have the korean contingent coming on big time. to me this is where the game is expanding and getting bigger and better and this is what we will see over the next 10 years, a huge shift, and some of it-- a lot of it-- we've already seen with the women's game. but you now look at korea as a golf powerhouse in the making. k.j. choi, established awe lot of that here, and he is still a
contender. and you have yang, who defeated tiger at the p.g.a. in 2007-- 2008. then you have names that are going to be household names. believe it. k.t. kim, sang mo bay. john ha, who now lives in the united states. these are going to be great players. you're right, it's all over the world. it's a global sport we love the nfl, we love major league baseball, and they've tried to spread their tentacles around the world and play internationally, golf and tennis are truly the professional sports no matter where are you, especially golf, it has a huge following. >> rose: let me talk about some of the players. you mentioned luke donald. tell me about him and his chances. my impression is he doesn't hit the ball as long as some other people and he plays a different kind of game. >> he plays a beautiful game. he plays a game, luke donald, like it was played back in the
byron nelson, ben hogan era. he's beautiful to watch the way strategically he plays a tournament. is he as long as really most of the modern day stars who just grip it and rip it? no. will it be maybe a little more difficult for luke this week because, again, i'm seeing this as being a sewing tournament with soft conditions that is going to make this tournament even longer. it may not be the right week, condition-wise, for luke. but no one's going to outthink him, and no one is going to hit more laser-like iron shots into the greens than luke donald will. beautiful player, missing that one thing off his resume, and that's a major championship. it would be great, obviously, for him-- i think it would be very good for the sport to get him over the hump if it happened this week. >> rose: how about lee would have had-- westwood is longer in
the tooth. it has been interesting watching the arc of his career. now he looks back and realizes he probably didn't seize the moment, didn't work at it hard enough, but he was also getting married, establishing a family life, and was really keen on not traveling the world, because he wanted to be at home more, didn't want to come over and play in america as much as maybe he could have. and i'm not going to fault him for that. then, by the way, the bottom fell out for him. and he dropped off the map. he fell down to, like, 200 in the world. got fit, got refocused, got beaten by tiring a lot in those years, in the dominant 12-year stretch by tying eand all of a sudden, lee westwood has undergone this renaissance and he's the top five player in the world, and has of course flirted with winning this tournament two years ago he had the 54-hole
lead. a great player just missing a major. >> rose: does this course at augusta favor lefties? >> i think more than anything,un, you're saying does it favor lefties? phil's won it three times and mike weir was the first lefty to win here when mike weir won in 2003. >> rose: didn't he chip in or something, he did something spectacular. >> he won in a play-off. he won on the second play-off hole and beat lynne matisex. unfortunately, mike is battling injuries. he should be one of the upper echelon guys right now. the biggest thing you need to do at augusta is you need to be able to hit it high and have it land on the greens and have it slop. each green has severe slope and undulations. it might one putting surface but it's really four different greens in one. you can say you hit the green. my old partner ken venturi useto say i can put a ball on every
green, hit 18 greens in regulation, which is almost unheard of. and i can put ow every green and you wouldn't break 80, by that meaning there are so many spots where you're going to three-putt or four-putt if you're on the wrong side of the green. the guy hitting it in with the driving shot, the ball is take hops and spinning and running outs, can't control his golf ball, basically, has a harder time than the guy hitting the soaring shots and they land on the spot. >> rose: knowing that true, does that favor tiger or rory? >> both of them have that shot and phil mickelson definitelies that shot. the greatest guy ever around here, greatest player of all time, in my mind, jack nicklaus was the best ever was. he could hit a one-iron in the air and it dropped like a pillow. >> rose: have you played with him? >> i have played with jack. i caddied for him once. i played a lot of golf with
arnold palmer, and gary player. and just by chances yesterday, they wanted to put in the archaracters i can jack, arnie, and gary sitting right over here for an hour and a half last night. we talked about their history here, and the respect for one another. it was not for public airing. it was just the club wanted to have it in its archives. three men who have been incredible for this sport have traveled millions of miles, not only spreading the sport but spreading the virtues of the game and are right now trying to make sure the game stays on track, that we get the youth of the world interested in golf. there is this parallel between this sport and really the way that, you know, society could benefit by the virtues of the sport. they're incredible ambassador asks great men. i played a lot with arnold palmer. i played, in fact, here at augusta with him a few times and i chalked that up as really some of the greatest thrills of my life being able to know all of
them and being able to play golf with them as well. >> rose: no one has aged as gracefully and no one projects the charisma and charm and love of the game, and real intelligence that arnold palmer had. >> i gotta say this-- and i'm not going to name any names-- but there are some really high-profile modern-day players who-- i just wish they would learn from arnold how he treats his public. and one in particular is way off. but when arnold palmer signs an auto graphic he takes the time and signs it, and it's so legible and so perfect, he treat you just by the way he handles that moment, that is a sign of respect right there. it's not one of these is that correct secretary? is that a symbol? i can't tell if it's the first name or last name, what is it?
not looking in the eye. arnold palmer looks in the eye "how are you," signs it, hands it to them. i have never seen him turn an autograph now. he may be in transition from one spot to another, but arnold palmer i grant has signed more autographs in history than anyone, rock stars, political figurees, world leaders arnold palmer has been the most gracious guy i have been around and he continues to do that in his 80s. he is beloved. he is a champion human being. >> rose: for his respect, for the crowd that followed him, he drew strength from their affection for him as well. >> he fed off of his gallery, there's no question. un, they used to call his gallery "arnie's army," and that term came from here in augusta because here in augusta, fort
gordon, in arnold's early years, some of the soldiers came over from fort gordon, they were in arnold's gallery, and he was, of course, gracious and kind to them, and they continued to come back en mass. they would bring more of their buddies out there with them, and they became arnie's army, and that became the term that was used wherever arnold competed around the world. the huge throng that would follow arnold, arnie's army. it started at augusta and it started with some kids that came by from fort gordon. >> rose: you know what is amazing today, it has come to my attention the last year or two, president kennedy was so enamored of arnie, one of the things he most wanted to do was have arnie look at his swing and have arnie play with him. >> you're right, j.f.k.-- and i've seen the film footage of his golf swing-- he didn't play a lot but had a lot of natural
talent, maybe had the best swing. he didn't play that much. he was more into sailing and boating and water sports, but it is fascinating to see how leaders of industry, how world leaders, they all just want to meet the man. and by the way, gary,un, with nelson mandela, that incredible friendship he has, and jack nicklaus with all the presidents. you could saylet same thing, really. but arnold palmer treats them all-- i'm not saying gary back and don't, because these are gracious men-- but he treats the world leader, leader of industry, the same way he treats the guy who is parking his car. and that's the beauty of arnold palmer. i'm going to say a story here that is going to sound like the most shameless name-dropping story in the history of your great show now in its together year, 20-year anniversary. a few years ago, by some miracle, i got institute a state dinner honoring queen elizabeth. i know your audience right now is saying, you're making this story up, but it's true.
and it was the queen's first appearance in the united states since 1991. this was may 7, 2007. you can google it. she was here are, first visit to the united states, state dinner, 134 people in the room in the state dining room, speeches were made. turned out, of the 134 people-- you can imagine how hard it was to be a guest that night-- there were three people who were at a state dinner the last time the queen was in the united states back in 1991, during president 41, bush certain sr's administration, the queen, prince phillip, and arnold palmer. those are the only three repeat from 1991 until 2007, you know, they call him the king. so if the king was going to be at the state dinner at the white house, you had to have the king and the prince. >> rose: what a great story. let me ask you finally this. what are the rules of the road
for covering golf and how are they different from any other sport? >> i'll just say this-- when i'm broadcasting a golf tournament i broadcast it right from here, particularly this tournament. it comes from my heart. i have all this background on augusta concluded in my head. i've been compartmentalizing information, historical anecdotes, background information on the players my whole life. since i was 11 years old, i told my father one day i want to go to augusta. i want to broadcast that tournament. that was my hook. that was my inspiration was listening to the announcers of my youth. every day of my life, i read up on this sport, and then, of course, 20s weeks out of the year i'm out here anyway. and you get to know the players. you get to know their families. you know their likes, or dislikes, their favorite restaurants. you know all the things about them, their teaches, their habits. and of course, needless to say, their track record, where they play well what, they shot, when
they won, colleges they attended, canadas they work with. that's all well and good. but when you're talking about the big oast prize in golf, it runs a lot deeper than that. this is about achieving something that like-- my little corner of the world-- like i had this little dream born out of an 11-year-old brain. these guys had the same thing when they were young kids. they're standing over a three-foot putt on a practice green, ask they're mentally eye know the tape playing in their head because i mean i was hitting the play button and rewinding it and playing it again. that was some announcer telling me i'm putting to win the masters, and i don't care if you're from australia, korea, england, the united states, you've been saying that your whole life. listen, i have a real responsibility come sunday when that moment's happening and the guys walked the 72nd hole, i've got to document what that moment means to that guy. and there is nothing i can
script out for that moment. there is nothing i can dial up on a computer that's going to tell that moment any better than what i have been assembling this information my whole life about these players. i can-- i'll just leave with you this one. jose-maria olazabal from spain, speaks much better english obviously. he's been a world player, great player, hall of famer. early, when he first came over to the states and i i wanted to meet him, i knew he was the son of a superintendent, his father was a superintendent royal sand sebastian golf course grew up on a house on the ninth hole. and i said tell me about your family. his parentses are afraid to fly. they have not been on a plane to this day-- i amend that. i believe his father came to augusta for the first time last year. his grandmother lived with him in the house. this was 20-some-odd years ago,
and i said what is it like for them to be a "globe" trotting international blossoming star of the sport. he said my grandmother has a hard time it. they call him little chima. when he leaves home she goes into and lights a cancel for little chima. until he gets back home, that candle stays lighted until chima is back home. i had that in the back of my mind if he wins the masters i'm telling that story. on sunday he's near the lead on 1994, and i tell jose, i come up to him right before the round, i said a crazy question, does your grandmother still live at home? i wasn't sure she was sill alive. she's still home does she still light the cancel. she still lights the cancel. he's coming up on 18, i tell the
story and the ball goes in the hole and he's won the masters tournament, and i said he's coming home and the cancel will still be lighted lighted and heg home wearing the green jacket. if i was jose-maria i would hope somebody invested time to tell that story about me because i worked my whole life for that. >> rose: you are the best jim, thank you. >> rose: thank you, charlie. >> rose: i look forward to seeing you soon. >> rose: hank haney is here, one of the world's top golf instructors. he has taught the game for 35 years. he was the personal swing coach for tiger woods from 2004 until 2010. he won six major championships during that time together. he writes about the experience in "the big miss: my years coaching tiger woods". i'm pleased to have hank haney back at this table. >> thank you, charlie. >> rose: what is it? what is it you want to tell us about tiger woods? what was this book intended to
be about? >> it was about really the greatness of tiger woods, you know, my observations of greatness. whenever you're in a position to observe greatness, like i was for six years-- i mean it was absolutely an incredible opportunity to have the chance to coach tiger. you know, a dream opportunity for a teacher. and you're in close quarters with greatness. i'm observing it every day. everywhere i go, people ask me, you know, "what was it like to work with tiger? what was tiger look? what did you work on with him? how was he as a student?" you know, questions after questions. and i want to share my thoughts. i want to share my observations of what made him great. obviously, there's a lot of complexities that make up tiger woods the person -- >> and controversy. >> and controversy. and i wanted to share basically what my observations were. and i knew that a lot of people might not agree with me writage book. >> rose: right. even some fellow golf pros. >> right, exactly.
but, you know, the bottom line at the end was i just felt like you know what, these are my memories, too, and i wanted to talk about them. >> rose: my own story, yeah. you had some reservations about it because you knew you would face some criticism and you were part of the inner circle and people who are part of the inner circle, they don't write books unless they have permission. >> i didn't have any agreement that preclude me from doing that. but, yeah, i thought about it explaining hard. but in the end, i thought, you know, i'm writing about golf history. and this is an inside look at the person i think is the greatest player that's ever played -- >> the greatest player ever to play the game. >> i think so. >> rose: why do you say that? he's not won as many majors -- >> you're right. i think jack nicklaus has the greatest record, but i think tiger is the greatest player. >> rose: why is he better than nicklaus? >> well, if you look at his roarke the amount of wins and the amount of time that he's done it.
he's ahead of jack in that time span -- >> but is he better in terms of the game he brings to the course? >> i think so, i think so. he wins on all different kinds of courses. he can win shooting 30 under, he wins on a tough golf course-- not that jack didn't but i would probably give tiger the edge on some of the easier courses, tiger shoot very low numbers. i also thinks he better than his competition by a wider margin, and probably his short game was a little better than jack's. un, there's been times in tiger's career when he's driven the ball really well, but, you know, you probably give jack the edge there. you know, they're both incredibly great putters and, you know, they're both close either way. you can pick either one -- >> who do you give the mental edge to? >> both of them. you don't win those majors if are you not incredibly mentally tough. and i think probably, you know, they're equal in that regard. so it's very close either way.
but that's definitely one and one-afor sure. i would give the edge to tiger. >> rose: what's different about the way tiger swings the bull, the way tying ear does it simply go further? what does he do? >> technically he's very correct. but there are a the love players that are technically correct. i think a lot of it is his power and speed. i mean, to be a dominant player you pretty much need to have that power. what you do is reduce the par of the golf course. now you can reach the parr 5s in two. tiger shot 13 under last week and i think he was 12 under on the par 5. >> rose: when you watch him, do you say he's back? >> well, it really depends on how you would define "back." for the last three years they coached tiger he won 45% of his tournaments. and, you know, to put that in perspective, i mean, jack nicklaus won about 12% for his
career. so tiger won at a rate that no one has ever won at for that period of time. i don't even he can do that again. i think the competition is tough. everything he's been through. but in terms of getting his game banning to where he's in position to win and will win many tournamentes, absolutely it looks that way. his ball striking is good. you know, his putting has been an issue, a question mark earlier in the >> now, you know, he putted really well last week, finished fourth in putting for the week. >> rose: kept the ball on the faire way, too. >> he kept the ball on the fairway, the driver can't gain you strokes. it can only lose you strokes. the putter can lose you strokes. you have to putt. every -- >> it can gain you strokes? >> the putter can. the driver just puts you in position to hit another shot, but the putter is really where it comes down. every player that has won this year on the p.g.a. tour has finished top 10 in putting.
he finished fourth last week. >> rose: diaz was involved in this, too. >> yes, he was. >> rose: what did he do? >> he was my ghost writer, and he's a brilliant, brilliant writer. >> rose: he understands golf and can write well. >> yeah, he's written for many, many years. >> rose: what has been the efilization? because he knows this and he's talked about here at this table and you know this, of tiger's swing? because you've got some golfers say, why did he ever change it? now, it seems to me that tiger is inevitably going to change it. that's the nature of him, he's constantly seek perfection. >> correct. >> rose: he will be messing with his swing until the day heidize. >> i think that's the whole really crux of it, to be honest with you. i also think that that's something that's positive for him. people say why would you change? but he's always done well. he's always changed and gotten better. he's always changed and improved his winning percentage. and it's the times when he's changing, when he's the most
motivated, when he's the most stimulated, if youwill, to practice, when he's the most tuned in to what he's doing. and i think it's something-- andy point out in the book that, you know, i think that this is part of what makes him great, that he's always trying to improve. he doesn't ever look at past results and how good he did. he always looks at how can i get better? and i think changing is part of that for him. >> rose: you also point out sometimes he would come home from having some instruction you'd give him, either on the telephone or in person. and he'd sit in front of a mirror half the night. >> yeah. >> rose: working on it and go out the next day and incorporate it into his game and be, you know, play a stronger game. >> yeah, well, i think that's one of the best ways to change. you have this visual image in your minds of what you're working on, and you practice it and then you rehearse it and get the feeling in your body and then you go and try to take it to the golf course. ben hogan did that all the time.
he practiced in front of the mirror and hogan said, if i had had a eviction i would have really killed them. >> rose: there is also this, though, sean foley is his coach now. he seems to give lots of credit to him. is his swing better now than the swing he left with when he left you? >> some people would think that way. that's all kinds of in the eye of the beholder. >> rose: and the player. >> and the player. but different teachers and different, you know, golfers have different views of what the swing should be like. tiring statistically was always near the top-- first or near the tops in greens and regulations really every year i helped him. he's right up there now again, not first-- but i think he's 14th or something, but doing very well. you know, his driving right now is very good at this point in time. last year it was very poor. this year it's very good. that's something he struggled with-- last year i helped him he was 12th in driving
accuracy. there are different ways to swing. i don't think there's any one way to swing a golf club, and tiger has won with three coaches. >> rose: rich harmon, hank haney. was he hard to coach? was he easy to coach because he wanted to learn so much? >> he was hard to coach. great achievers have a tendency to want to, you know, make everything their idea. i mean-- ( laughter ) and i don't think that's unnatural in anything. great businessmen, you know, you hear the same thing. you know, top c.e.o.s and maybe people that work for them have great ideas. they have to figure out how to make it their idea. tiger woods is c.e.o. of his golf company, and my job was to help him head in the right direction. i didn't just walk up there and say, "okay, this is what we're going to do today." that's not the way it works.
i would make suggestions and try to point him in the right direction. i was like a farmer. i just plant and see if something grew. if it didn't, i didn't take it personal. i just planted some more. so that makes it a challenge but not, you know, not an obstacle. just a challenge. it was something i enjoyed to be honest with you, because he was the ultimate test for a teacher. >> rose: because he was so good and so confident in his own analysis? >> and hard to convince of things. he's confident. he believes in what he knows. >> rose: it he called you up and saident you to be my coach. >> yeah, it was incredible. >> rose: i have never known whether to say, "coach," "instructor," "teacher." what did you guys call yourself? >> i like coach. a teacher would give you a lesson and kind of you're on your own. a coach is talking about other things. we would talk about course management. we would talk about managing--
coach, we talked about managing yourself, managing your game, you know, all the different aspects that make up golf where a teacher might say this is your swing. >> rose: and you said i'll never teach anybody else, i'll never coach anyone else. >> when i had the opportunity to work with tiger i thought this was the ultimate. at the time i had been 26 years teaching touring pros. and i made that decision. i said he's going to be the last pro i i teach. i have taught over 200 proposes and it was time for me to go to do something nels my career. but the second thing is, where do you go from tiger woods? you know? >> rose: just to be sure i'm understanding, after bay hills, do you think he's back. >> he's-- i think he's going to win a lot of golf tournaments. i think he's -- >> you think he's going to win the masters or be in competition? >> oh, i think he will be in competition for sure. but to win, you're going to have to have something good happen to
you, charlie. you have to make a putt that no one else makes. you have to chip in, like he did on 16 that one year from behind the green or last year, you know, carl schwartzle made a chip shot on the first hole and holed out on another hole, and phil mickelson when he won made a shot on the fairway. something good has to happen. the competition is so stiff, you have to have a special to win. >> rose: arnold was asked whether he thought tiger would come back and i was struck by the depth and passion of his answer. this is arnold palmer talking about a man he admires greatly. >> and it's someone who lived
it. arnold and jack and tiger, i mean, they've all lived it it is very elusive. you've seen this. when tiger went from the most dominant player-- his lead in the world rankings was trip whale anybody else was. and all of a sudden he's 56th in the world and you think, wow. it is a fine line, even at that level. but it looks like-- it looks like tiger's hitting the ball. it looks like he's goating his game organized. i think he's going to win a lot more golf tournaments. whether he beats jack's record, that's another story. >> rose: exactly. he's lost, what, two years. >> yes, exactly. >> rose: in your judgment-- this is something you don't really know about but i'm asking about your impression-- that the distraction is gone. all the distraction he had from both the controversy to whatever the lifestyle was beforehand. >> right. >> rose: that's not there. but he played awful well with all that distraction. >> rose: with the distraction
but did he play well with the controversy? >> with the controversy he didn't play so well. it looks like that is going away -- >> all the things that were such a part of the publicity mill about his relationship with other women and all that other kind of stuff. >> right. >> rose: you did or did not know about that? >> no, i didn't. i didn't know. it's amazing for for people to hear. but my messages to tiger were more like you know, big brother kind of fatherly messages about being, you know, a great champion, being, you know, a great person. i mean, i don't do those kind of things. if you do, you know, the kind of things that he was doing, you probably don't confide in someone who doesn't. so i didn't know. steve williams, his caddy, didn't know. it's hard for people to believe. >> rose: are you surprised they broke up? >> no, not really.
once again, i think every one of these relationships has a time span and it was probably time for them to go different direction. i never knew anything-- looking back, charlie, i look back and think that's where he was when i didn't know where he was. i never knew or i would have said something. >> rose: you would have said something. >> of course. >> rose: because you said something-- this is what has gotten all the attention it and i'm not sure why-- he obviously had great admiration for the navy seals and did seal exercises with actual seals, correct? >> yes, two places on the east coast and two places on the west coast. >> rose: there's an issue of fact here, you suggest-- and bear me out-- you suggest he might have injured himself because people told you that. >> yes. >> rose: and that made a significant impact in his ability to play. >> yes. >> rose: his people have denied that. they say it's just wrong. >> yeah, well, the injury injury they're talking about-- well, there are a couple of injuries.
first off, tiger showed me a bruise on his leg that was the about the size of a baseball where he had been shot with a rubber bullet from working with the navy seals, where he was in the kill house and got shot. he hurt his leg. the other one we're talking about is the knee injury. and i was doing a clinic -- >> which has been his great weakness. >> it has, his left knee. i did a clinic in minnesota, and a lady came up to me and said my husband say navy seal and he is stationed in california, and he was there the day tiger hurt his knee with the navy seals. so i kind of put that in my memory bank, but later on, one of my friends, who is also a friend of tiger told me that tiger told him he came around the corner in this kill house, which is where the navys practice urban warfare, and he came around the corner.
he didn't brace himself in what's called the spring stance-- that's what the seals call the stance where you brace yourself. he came around the coner and know didn't brace himself properly and got kicked in the side of the knee and tiger told this friend and me that's how he blew out his knee. >> rose: that's what i put in the book. >> rose: what somebody told you. >> rose: i'm with you in terms of the fact what makes this book interesting is understanding greatness. i'm much more interested in that. i'm interested in people who have extraordinary skills. >> exactly, and he has that. >> rose: he has that. he's not taking it that way. why not? >> well, he hasn't read the book, you know -- >> people who read the book talked to him, obviously. >> i don't know because the book just came out, and not many people have read the book. a lot of people-- there's been an excerpt where people
excerpted just one sentence out of context, and it looks like the book is something that it isn't, which overwhelmingly the book is about greatness. it's mostly positive but it wouldn't have been honest if it was all positive. >> rose: it's also also about how you reacted to him. >> right. >> rose: even though you were his coach you were a bit what-- define how you felt about him. first of all, take the popsicle incident. what does that say? >> that says that tiger is very self-centered. the popsicle story is we were sitting at dinner one night, and got done with dinner and sat on the couch watching tv and tiger gets up and gets a popsicle. and i describe it in great detail, i kind of wanted one of those popsicles. >> rose: it was a nonfat popsicle. >> sugar-free popsicle. he didn't offer me one. and i got up enough coverage and said, ," hey, tying edo you think i could have one of those
popsicles?" he looked at me like why are you asking me if you can have a popsicle. just go get it. >> rose: that says more about you. >> it's both. most people would have said, do you want one?" when you got up to get one, you would have gotten me one, too. >> rose: i'm on his side on this one, i must say. >> that's okay. it's just a story to illustrate that he is very self-centered, and self-centeredness is part of what makes him great. >> rose: exactly,. >> anyone who is that great is going to have to have some level of self centeredness. >> rose: you have no regrets about writing this book, you feel you have laid out what is part of your life and part of his life, and you were both fair and honest and candid and didn't violate any part of the relationship you had with him. >> well, you know, obviously at the end of a relationship where there's a friendship and a working relationship, you know,
things can get a little blurry, especially tiger. and, you know, i felt fine about writing the book. obviously, i wouldn't have written it if i didn't, and it's very truthful and honest, and i'm actually everywhere proud of it. i think it really talks about his greatness. tells a story about coach -- >> from a perspective nobody else has had who is talk. >> and no one may ever have. >> rose: you think sean has a different perspective or only because he comes at a different time in tiring's life. >> probably. that's what i would think. a lot of people would say i would never write a book. i understand that. i knew people would have that opinion. but my opinion -- >> code. >> it's an unwritten code. i'm not a doctor. i'm night lawyer. we don't have a code. we may have an unwritten code but i wrote a book. >> rose: did you leave things out because you thought it was-- you didn't want to go there? >> absolutely. i took a lot of stuff out. i edited that book probably
eight times. i would wake up in morning -- >> why would you take it out? >> because it didn't have anything to do whiz golf. some of the things i looked at and it kind of doesn't sound too good and it doesn't need to be in there. it really doesn't have anything to do with his golf. fididn't feel like i could explain, you know, that this had to do with his golf, if someone asked me a question, "hank ydid you put this there? what did this have to do with his golf?" if i didn't feel i could explain that i left it out. >> rose: he is the greatest player in the game because of the record he has and what he has done so far or because at this moment in his life, he can play the game better than anyone else? >> i think for what he's done so far. >> rose: so you're not saying he's the greatest player in the game today in terms of how he is playing golf. >> he's right there. he's right there. with the records this year, i would put, you know, him and rory one and one-a, right there.
they've both won once. roar has probably had a little bit better year than tiger right now if they were voting for player of the year, rory would probably get it at this point. but they're both very, very close. they're both having good years so far. >> rose: you also coached mike omere aright. >> mark o'meara. >> rose: mark o'meara. and he's tiger's great friend. >> yes, she was very good friends tiger. >> rose: and that's one of the reasons-- >> i think mark recommended that i would be a good coach, but i've known tiger since he was 16. i knew him as a junior golfer and at stanford. i have known tiger a long time. >> rose: looking finally at the swing today, what is he doing with it today? >> well, i mean, the difference is, from when i helped him is that he has a little bit
stronger grip, so his hands are turns a little more. >> rose: like this. >> yes, so that closes the club face a little bit. that should reduce the spin a little bit on the ball and give him a little measure power. it also brings a left shot a little more into play. tiger right now when he does miss, he's about 50-50 right and left. when i coached him about 83% of his misses were to the right and 17% to the left. so he's eliminating half the course. so that's the difference. he's a little different at the top of his swing where the club is positioned. i suggest that club be a little more to the left at the top. tiger say little more what we would call tending toward to be across the line. and then the big difference, though, is that he's getting the club swinging down to the left more. you see him take a lot of practice wins where he's swinging down to the left, off to the left. that's an effort to avoid hitting a hook. most amateur golfers swing too much to the left, and their ball goes to the right.
most prose when they make a mistake they swing too much to the right and their ball goes to the left. so tiger is trying to eliminate a left shot by swinging down and to the left in his downswing and takes some exaggerated practice swings doing that. but it's just another way to do what we call get, the club out in front of him. he's hit, the ball good. he's starting to hit the nice low shots he hit for a long time he's using a lot of 3-woods off the tee. when you hit the low shot he can run it out there. with today's equipment he is hity 3-woods 100 yards and doesn't have to use many drivers. those are probably the main change. he is staying a little more centered which i had always suggested to tying they're he stay under center but it was a hard thing to talk him into. >> rose: what do you mean? >> when he swung off the ball he would tend to move off like
that. >> rose: that's fundamental, isn't it the? >> yeah, it's fundamental, yeah, yeah. >> rose: but it's still hard to do. >> it's still hard to do. he had a tendency to move a little bit. >> rose: and he moved his head a little bit, too. >> yeah, he's still doing that but not as much. i think it looks good. >> rose: are you pulling for him? >> yes, absolutely. >> rose: you hope tiger woods wins the masters? >> i would like to see him win. i would like to see him break jack nicklaus' record. i will be a part of his record. i'll be part of his career in the small way i contributed it would feel good. >> rose: the point suare part of-- whatever happens you are part of the history of tiger wood, and tiger woods is part of the history of hank haney. >> absolutely. it's been very good for me, for sure, and i think i was, you know, good for him, too. >> rose: the big miss, you explain. >> it's golf jargon.
the big miss tee shot, the shot you can't recover from. that's the shot tiger feared. he has great recoverability. the worst miss could be the one that is out of bounds in the water where he has no chance to recover. his fatheruesed to tell the me, don't worry about tiger in the woods. that's why his last name it woods. but you can't get out of the water, you can't get out of out of bounds. so the big miss what he's trying to avoid. also, the big missed putt, the big missed opportunity to win a tournament. >> rose: it's like the 4-footer. >> exact lie. and the big miss opportunity that had in his life and i had, you know, while i worked with him. there were big misses for both of us. >> rose: "the big miss" is the book, hank haney is the author. thank you for joining us. see you next time.